How to Upload Studio One Sessions to Th Cloud

Hello. I have to upload a project to a deject. The project folder contains the post-obit relevant subfolders: (one) Bounces; (two) Cache; and (3) Media.

Here's my plan to brand this go faster because the folder is 4.75 GB.

ane. Delete the Cache binder in its entirety

2. Zip the folder

3. Upload it

Ii questions:

1. Will deleting the Cache modify the song from the recipient's standpoint? I want him to have access to the project as information technology was before I uploaded it.

two. If I duplicate the folder on my computer by copying and renaming it, will deleting the Cache change the cache--or anything else--on the duplicated binder? I ask considering I don't want to change anything whatsover most the song from my perspective. That is, I desire information technology to keep playing exactly similar it did before I deleted the cache from the previous folder.

Thanks for your assistance.


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by Jemusic on Friday April 03, 2015 7:49 pm

4.5G sounds like an awful lot for 1 song. Deleting the cache file won't modify things much, A new enshroud file gets create anyway as soon every bit the project is opened.

Sounds like in that location is a whole lot of stuff that is non needed. Whatsoever mix engineer worth his salt wont want to accept anything to do with anything you accept done previously.

Equally per my email you demand to create a set of wave files that are all consolidated eg multiple clips on one track turned in one long file. Yous need to generate a fix of wave files that are totally raw with no effects processing anywhere. All the moving ridge files should exist the aforementioned length.

(note if a click rail was used information technology is good to know the tempo and if yous can generate the click runway on its own as an audio rails that can help every bit well)

So if we are down to five meg per minute for a 4 minute song (that is 44.1k and 16 chip, 24 bit is only a bit more than) you are looking at 20 one thousand thousand per track. For 30 tracks say the whole session should be well-nigh 600 meg. (or slightly larger for 24 bit files)

When zipping these up practise not use compression. Select 'Store' every bit the option when making a zip file. Then the nada file will equal the sum of the individual wave files.

If you are wanting to get an engineer to keep your music mix so all y'all demand to exercise is export the music as a stereo wave file and the rest eg vocals etc every bit sep files.


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past Jemusic on Fri Apr 03, 2015 viii:08 pm

Another option is of course to burn a CD/DVD and postal service it to the mix engineers. (Is in that location a fourth dimension frame? By air it does not accept that long)

If you want to transport a full Studio I session you could only whatever non standard plugs yous may take used plain won't piece of work. You have to restrict yourself to the bundled plugs.

Just out of interest how long is the song and how many tracks are involved.

To exist able to generate a full set of consolidated files the same length with no processing on anywhere is still a good matter to larn to do. You lot will have to do information technology some stage.


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Iirc from your other thread, the other user is using S1? If that is the example, practise 2 things first.

With the song open, get to the browser puddle. In there, rt click and select delete unused files. And then rt click again, and select re-create external files.

At present you tin can be certain that everything you demand is in the song folder, and nix that you dont need. At present zip that song file up and post to your cloud service.


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What does copying external files exercise, exactly?

Yesterday, I did the first thing you suggested, deleting unused files, and I plant myself in a globe or worry this morn. A whole agglomeration of files were missing and I kept getting messages like this.

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I did the best damage control I could, but some of the older song files that correspond the song at different stages (i.e., before vocals added), may be gone for expert.

Granted, I copied my project folder and pasted it to duplicate it and moved the media, cache, and bounce folders around in the duplicated folder. That might have had something to practise with it. But I really don't know.

I don't want another such headache and definitely don't want to loose any piece of work later getting this far.

Thanks.


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Export / archive to FLAC? Even PT can load FLAC now then at that place's no real indicate in uploading a 3gb archive that tin exist easily reduced by 40-l% past converting the archive to FLAC.

And and so there'southward this video on Youtube, which seemingly makes the process simple. https://world wide web.youtube.com/sentry?v=_HJ_0L1uO0A

What exercise yous guys think. Some mixers would desire just the unedited wav files, or perchance another file format as the concluding poster suggested. Others would desire the entire session. And then if you guys could go me to these ii points keeping in listen that I am new to this, I would really appreciate information technology. Thank yous for your consideration.


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past Jemusic on Sat April 04, 2015 4:03 pm

mathew may accept been hasty in suggesting deleting files. Basically this is not good advice. Y'all should never delete annihilation actually. It is dangerous.

A good thing to do is open up the session. Then do a 'Save To A New Binder' This will generate a copy of the session but merely the files you see on the screen and hear get duplicated. All the un-used stuff does not.

It is a good idea to do this before archiving a project. That way there are 2 versions that go archived. The big one with everything in information technology and a cutdown lean version that was used in the final mix only.

You may want to go dorsum and pull something in that was non being used before. If y'all delete files you will never become those once again.


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past Bub on Sat April 04, 2015 5:xvi pm

@ OP:

I perform the 'Delete Unused Files' function on every project and I've never lost a unmarried file I needed. Sometimes Studio Ane volition enquire me to search for missing files the next fourth dimension I load upwards the song but information technology's never something that was still being used.

I tin imagine a scenario where y'all have a lot of clips where that could happen though.

It would interesting to know if you've run into a situation where you lot actually lost files that were nonetheless in use. Please keep us posted on what you observe.

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I actually had to retrieve files for the Recycle bin. Studio One found other files. Some files, apparently, were lost for good. Still, praise be to whatever'due south skillful in the universe, those clips pertained to older versions of the vocal that I was no longer using. I agree that deleting may exist a bad idea and that it is more than efficient to just save to a new folder. I saved the two working versions of a song to a new binder. Ane of these folders is 372 MB. The other is 316 MB. Went from virtually 5GB to 700 MB. The 5 GB folder is notwithstanding on my machine. Just, with 2 TB, I'll take it. 700 MB is small-scale plenty to get on a cloud. Thanks a 1000000 for the tip.

It's been a pretty harrowing morning and afternoon. Only, overall, I feel like I have made progress.

Love this forum, as well as this convenient software.


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by Jemusic on Lord's day Apr 05, 2015 three:29 pm

The more than professional person y'all are and the more than yous become paid to use Studio I then the differences in backup strategies go. Hobbyists and lets confront information technology 99% of y'all are just that ways you have never experienced what tin happen in a pro situation.

Like I said I practise two backups when I archive a projection. The larger one with everything in it and the smaller lean i after doing a 'Save to a New folder'.

Bub this is the situation you many never take encountered.

Even later I accept mixed a project and mastered information technology and it is in the bag and all done and dusted I have had a client come back to me 3 months later on and say Oh Jeff I dont desire the 5 th have of that guitar solo after all. I have decided I really want that first solo I did.

What are you going to practise Bub. You would be buggered because you won't accept it. I do though. No sweat I but pull up the larger session and drag that solo into the bacteria session and away I go.

It is simply plain dumb to erase anything. Besides yous tin apply the material that is not in a mix in a one thousand thousand ways such as dragging things into Sample One and making synth presets out of information technology. There are many things you can practise with the unwanted stuff too. Proceed it.


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by Bub on Sunday Apr 05, 2015 vii:47 pm

Information technology sure is easy to fabricate a scenario effectually a function to detect fault with information technology isn't information technology? If you truly believe what you are saying Jeff then you must accept an astonishing collection of useless waves.

Nobody said anything about deleting actress takes. If you are so careful with your backups and mindful of your clients futurity needs, why would you e'er delete the track that the file is associated with consequently putting that wave in the unused file pool to be available for deletion?

One time a project has been sent out to a mastering house, that's it. Archiving the final product is one thing, but If the client wants to modify something 3 months after the fact, they should come up back in to the studio and pay to re-record information technology, and and so pay to have information technology mastered again. It's really a bad business conclusion to practice what you do. And that scenario applies to many businesses, not but a recording studio.

If you lot are deleting takes so the wave files are not associated with the Song anymore that is merely asking for trouble no thing what your backup plan is. When this client comes back three months after it must be a pain to discover, then sync up that disassociated wave file again.

As for making samples of fragments of unused files, then aye, that is one state of affairs where you would desire to continue those files. But if yous are the type of person who does that, you are going to go through those files and salvage them before you delete the unwanted ones manually, so even that statement doesn't utilise in this state of affairs.


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by Jemusic on Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:57 pm

It is quite obvious you don't practice this professionally. It is not a bad business decision at all. Information technology is easy to drag in a previous solo, remix and master. Much quicker than whatever re recording. re recording may not get the solo as good equally the first one he did etc..I dont always record alternate takes either on different layers. I may have other takes on other tracks that dont become used. In your scenario Bub they would get deleted.

Quite but I feel it is better to not delete anything. Elementary as that. Information technology has saved my arse a few times that is all.

I similar the lean version though after doing a Save Equally to a new folder because if they come back in and but want a remix and then it takes much less time to copy the leaner session over to your hard drive and merely remix.

It is non all virtually albums either. I produce tracks for clients for many reasons. Tv set docos, jingles etc..Net. It is quite possible that they will come dorsum in some time later on and desire something changed.

I have got a client who wants to change on word in a lyric. Fifty-fifty after mastering and pressing a CD. Yous have to be able to exercise it that is all I am saying.


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past Jemusic on Lord's day Apr 05, 2015 viii:48 pm

Let me rephrase. If you are a hobbyist and you cease a tune and there is no or very little chance y'all will want to change it then Bub's proffer is a good 1. In fact great because deleting unused stuff may drop the folder form several gig downwards to a few hundred meg and that is e'er much easier to back up.

Just if you lot are getting paid and doing it professionally and then what I am saying is proficient because you lot volition always take an out if you need it.

If you think being professional person is great well it is to some extent but it also has some serious drawbacks too. The coin never flows in evenly all year round. It goes from existence ridiculous to nothing. Many clients are non nice either and the pressure can be high at times.

To all you guys with a day job I green-eyed you and would impale for one correct now! I am lucky I have got a wife who is in a high paid job which sort of helps.

I am sorry to Bub if I take offended him in whatever way likewise. I similar Bub and we have always got on well. In fact it might have been me that helped him sway abroad from that other (%$#@!) software to the astonishing Studio One. :D


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Information technology's really not the job of the studio to protect the client's archive in the long term. If the client comes dorsum 3 months later they should exist bringing their files - all of the files they recorded 3 months ago - with them, not counting on yous to archive and protect them.

It's our job to give them everything they paid for, all the files, all the takes, and and then information technology'due south their responsibility to take care of that, non yours. Fifty-fifty if it's an ongoing long term project, if the client is not taking all of the files with him on his ain hard drives forth the fashion he'south not also bright.

You wanna mix that vocal we did eight months ago? Cool, show up with your drive and your files... similar xx years ago yous'd show up with your tape reels.

That'south why yous requite them the files, and then in case something happens yous are not responsible for them.

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past Jemusic on Sun April 05, 2015 9:35 pm

Lawrence wrote Information technology'southward really non the job of the studio to protect the client'southward archive in the long term. If the client comes back three months later they should be bringing their files - all of the files they recorded 3 months agone - with them, not counting on you to archive and protect them.

It's our job to give them everything they paid for, all the files, all the takes, and so information technology's their responsibleness to take intendance of that, non yours. Even if it's an ongoing long term project, if the client is not taking all of the files with him on his own hard drives along the way he's non too bright.

You lot wanna mix that vocal we did 8 months agone? Cool, show up with your drive and your files... like 20 years ago you lot'd show up with your tape reels.

That's why you give them the files, so in case something happens you are non responsible for them.

Dont agree. Are you a professional person BTW? Well I don't requite the clients anything at all in fact other than final masters. It is not their business to accept all the sessions and backups at all. They tin can take that stuff and give information technology someone else to mix which is their right of course (merely they demand to come back to me and get the files and what I give them is the raw tracks all the same length with no processing on)

You are giving away all your intellectual property in terms of how you mix if you lot merely handover a full Studio 1 session. Many clients come to me wanting me to remix something they did somewhere else and when I ask them practice they have the multis they mostly say no the studio would non hand them over. Handing over a reel to reel multitrack tape (in the old days) is one thing because that is very raw in comparison to a total Studio I session.

I believe it is my responsibility to annal everything to the full so if I need to I can pull it back up. And brand the exports if the clients desire information technology. And they take to pay me too to make those raw sessions.

BTW from my old days I have got every reel to reel multi I have always made. I never charged the clients (for the multitrack tapes that is) and gave them the multis. I accept got so much raw material there it is ridiculous. Also clients never keep this stuff either and they lose information technology. They are the worst people to give all the stuff also. I accept had clients come to me 20 years later and enquire me if I nonetheless take a multitrack session and I said yes and they were very very very relieved.


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Yes, I did run a professional studio. :) I ran a brick and mortar studio here for some years and did the same out of my home for many years after that. I always gave the clients copies of their audio files and so that i was not personally responsible for them.

I keep a lot of that stuff on my bulldoze anyway and I take care to protect current projects, merely I do not tacitly take personal responsibility for client files by not giving them copies of everything. If my studio burns downwardly they nevertheless have all the files they spent thousands of dollars recording. If they're too cheap to purchase a hard drive for their project i make it clear - in the invoice - that I am not personally responsible for their audio files. Stuff happens.

I was running a minor project studio, non a storage service like Google. :) And it's perfectly ok to disagree about that. Information technology's non necessary to counterpoint it into infinity.

And read back, i didn't actually say i gave them the final mix song file. I said I give them all the audio files they recorded. If they're too lazy or young to take care of what they paid for, non my issue. Similar I said, I keep a lot of it anyhow but i practise non accept sole responsibility for whatever of it.

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by Jemusic on Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:04 pm

Lawrence wrote And it'due south perfectly ok to disagree about that. Information technology'southward not necessary to counterpoint it into infinity..

Y'all are overstating and over reacting to the situation. Non counterpointing anything into infinity either. Merely respect someone who has been doing this for over 35 years.

I have got copies of very important stuff off site besides in case of fire. I dont oft have fires hither.


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by Lawrence on Sun Apr 05, 2015 x:08 pm

Relax. :) You might want to suspension and consider for a moment that your mode of doing things might not be the only fashion?

That's what i meant by "counterpoints into infinity". You lot had already given your view, then i gave mine, at that place's no need to continue re-asserting your view, i got it. That's what i personally exercise and that's why I practice what i do.

Everyone else should do as they prefer. I've been at this awhile also. Attended audio engineering school in the 80's and then to get respect oft requires giving some and non simply assume that you're the only guy who's been at this awhile.

So... views tend to differ? Is that ok? Thanks.


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